Comments on: Where Is The IT Spending Going To Happen in 2010? http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/ Welcome to the bigger truth! I'll try to add some context around "how" or "why" things might mean more than meets the eye. Thu, 02 Sep 2010 15:09:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Scott L http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-857 Scott L Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:13:42 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-857 http://trust.salesforce.com/trust/status I won't point out the frequent service outages and degraded states. 300ms is ridiculously long for any query or page to be rendered which is their accepted average. The video didn't really cover any reasons to adopt a cloud model, just a bunch of enthusiastic buzzwords. The part where Dell went up front and showed their dashboard could be developed and run from a cloud or a vm on my desktop nothing really compelling to use cloud over anything else. I guess @ the end of the day there's a debate on which platform to run systems on. The other debate would be to use a hosted solution versus homegrown versus a box with a CD in it. http://trust.salesforce.com/trust/status

I won’t point out the frequent service outages and degraded states. 300ms is ridiculously long for any query or page to be rendered which is their accepted average. The video didn’t really cover any reasons to adopt a cloud model, just a bunch of enthusiastic buzzwords. The part where Dell went up front and showed their dashboard could be developed and run from a cloud or a vm on my desktop nothing really compelling to use cloud over anything else.

I guess @ the end of the day there’s a debate on which platform to run systems on. The other debate would be to use a hosted solution versus homegrown versus a box with a CD in it.

]]> By: Keith Brown http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-839 Keith Brown Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:50:27 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-839 @ScottL... Actually no, I was't assuming that by "cloud" you meant "virtualization" in your comment, and I agree with you about how missing the value proposition of virtualization would be a very silly thing to do indeed. I will have to remain on the fence regarding your distaste for such things as Amazon S3, as I don't really hold any strong opinions about whether that particular service is worthwhile or not. I do think the IaaS and PaaS models as they are typically defined sit rather too low down the stack to be of general interest to the broad population. Most of the members of my family would have little use for a Virtual Machine in the cloud, but they seem to like FaceBook well enough! :-) Whether IaaS/PaaS services may one day become interesting to corporate IT departments is a good question. You seem to think no, whereas I'd say it was indeed a little speculative, but by no means an absurd notion. FWIW, I'm sure Amazon will ultimately work through whatever reliability issues they have been suffering, and lets be honest here, traditionally implemented internal IT infrastructures have been known to have their outages too, and in some cases, they have track records that make Amazon's track record look like a CEO's dream come true. However, where I do think you would once again be "silly" to say that cloud solved no business issues, is up at the SaaS layers. I won't bore you with all the reasons why I think that is, but if you're interested, most of them are similar or identical to ones articulated in the below by Marc Benioff, the CEO of SalesForce.com, and arguably the Billy Mays (God rest his soul) of SaaS. In case you're wondering, I don't know Marc Benioff, I'm not an employee of SalesForce.com, and I don't even own any of their stock (fool that I am! :-(), but I do think the man makes many points about SaaS and cloud that are difficult to dispute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMzKTeiKGnQ&fmt=18 I would only add that if you were thinking of deploying your own internal infrastructure to provide your company with something like e-mail in this day and age, then well, why stop there? Ya might as well generate your own electricity too! ;-) @ScottL… Actually no, I was’t assuming that by “cloud” you meant “virtualization” in your comment, and I agree with you about how missing the value proposition of virtualization would be a very silly thing to do indeed. I will have to remain on the fence regarding your distaste for such things as Amazon S3, as I don’t really hold any strong opinions about whether that particular service is worthwhile or not. I do think the IaaS and PaaS models as they are typically defined sit rather too low down the stack to be of general interest to the broad population. Most of the members of my family would have little use for a Virtual Machine in the cloud, but they seem to like FaceBook well enough! :-)

Whether IaaS/PaaS services may one day become interesting to corporate IT departments is a good question. You seem to think no, whereas I’d say it was indeed a little speculative, but by no means an absurd notion. FWIW, I’m sure Amazon will ultimately work through whatever reliability issues they have been suffering, and lets be honest here, traditionally implemented internal IT infrastructures have been known to have their outages too, and in some cases, they have track records that make Amazon’s track record look like a CEO’s dream come true.

However, where I do think you would once again be “silly” to say that cloud solved no business issues, is up at the SaaS layers. I won’t bore you with all the reasons why I think that is, but if you’re interested, most of them are similar or identical to ones articulated in the below by Marc Benioff, the CEO of SalesForce.com, and arguably the Billy Mays (God rest his soul) of SaaS. In case you’re wondering, I don’t know Marc Benioff, I’m not an employee of SalesForce.com, and I don’t even own any of their stock (fool that I am! :-( ), but I do think the man makes many points about SaaS and cloud that are difficult to dispute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMzKTeiKGnQ&fmt=18

I would only add that if you were thinking of deploying your own internal infrastructure to provide your company with something like e-mail in this day and age, then well, why stop there? Ya might as well generate your own electricity too! ;-)

]]> By: Scott L http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-831 Scott L Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:20:17 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-831 here go crazy http://status.mosso.com/ here go crazy

http://status.mosso.com/

]]> By: Scott L http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-830 Scott L Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:18:12 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-830 If you are interpreting my implied (and I thought assumed) definition of cloud as something like virtualization well then that's just silly. Virtulization is pretty much mandatory in this day and age. I am talking about the web hosting platforms. I should have specified HOSTED cloud. Do I really need to post the hundreds of these (http://gigaom.com/2008/07/20/amazon-s3-outage-july-2008/) to backup my comments? Businesses can't stand outages. Businesses need their data available and secure, both things the cloud environments of today sidestep in their agreements and apparently in practice. I hear a lot of people using cloud for backups. I don't think my company can miss a day of backups can yours? If you are interpreting my implied (and I thought assumed) definition of cloud as something like virtualization well then that’s just silly. Virtulization is pretty much mandatory in this day and age. I am talking about the web hosting platforms. I should have specified HOSTED cloud.

Do I really need to post the hundreds of these (http://gigaom.com/2008/07/20/amazon-s3-outage-july-2008/) to backup my comments? Businesses can’t stand outages. Businesses need their data available and secure, both things the cloud environments of today sidestep in their agreements and apparently in practice. I hear a lot of people using cloud for backups. I don’t think my company can miss a day of backups can yours?

]]> By: Keith Brown http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-824 Keith Brown Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:04:41 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-824 > I am not @ all surprised there’s little to no adoption of the > cloud. I am not an ignorant man, but I personally don’t see it > solving any business issues. @ScottL.... Are you kiddin' me? You weren't by any chance the guy with the accent in this, were you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tjVHQLQ4A > I am not @ all surprised there’s little to no adoption of the
> cloud. I am not an ignorant man, but I personally don’t see it
> solving any business issues.

@ScottL…. Are you kiddin’ me? You weren’t by any chance the guy with
the accent in this, were you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tjVHQLQ4A

]]> By: Scott L http://www.thebiggertruth.com/2010/01/where-is-the-it-spending-going-to-happen-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-819 Scott L Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:22:17 +0000 http://www.thebiggertruth.com/?p=548#comment-819 I am not @ all surprised there's little to no adoption of the cloud. I am not an ignorant man, but I personally don't see it solving any business issues. High performance and questionable availability aren't really hand in hand from a business perspective. From a lot of blogs I've read a lot of cloud service providers aren't ready for the big show quite yet. You will always have the issue of the network connection to the cloud as well. This and encryption is the #1 reason WAN based backups will never really take off in the enterprise. Our rate of change is bigger than our total bandwidth + outage window. If a telecom company dedicated a connection to the cloud carrier I could see businesses jumping all over it. Say for example L3 and Amazon teamed up and sold a moderately priced point to point ds3 in the contract would make it more appealing than just "here's your login, enjoy." Another issue is an API/SDK. You're pretty committed @ some point with the carrier you choose. If your carrier relationship goes sour, all development efforts are instant vaporware unless you shell out a considerable amount of money for an intermediary API which takes one kind of code in and pukes out anything. As for backups, a lot has changed in windows and the software lately. VSS and SAN integration have finally made friends and should play nice now. The investments in backups are long overdue simply based on the fact that the storage subsystems are catching up with technology. The other big thing is that storage is cheap and fast, making it easy to use so it's probably time for people to right-size their backups to fit all the data they've grown so comfortable with. In a couple years all the rage will be automation to (retroactively) deal with all the content and bring us back to planet earth. Bare metal restores are FINALLY (WTF?) getting to be a reality. I am not @ all surprised there’s little to no adoption of the cloud. I am not an ignorant man, but I personally don’t see it solving any business issues. High performance and questionable availability aren’t really hand in hand from a business perspective. From a lot of blogs I’ve read a lot of cloud service providers aren’t ready for the big show quite yet.

You will always have the issue of the network connection to the cloud as well. This and encryption is the #1 reason WAN based backups will never really take off in the enterprise. Our rate of change is bigger than our total bandwidth + outage window. If a telecom company dedicated a connection to the cloud carrier I could see businesses jumping all over it. Say for example L3 and Amazon teamed up and sold a moderately priced point to point ds3 in the contract would make it more appealing than just “here’s your login, enjoy.”

Another issue is an API/SDK. You’re pretty committed @ some point with the carrier you choose. If your carrier relationship goes sour, all development efforts are instant vaporware unless you shell out a considerable amount of money for an intermediary API which takes one kind of code in and pukes out anything.

As for backups, a lot has changed in windows and the software lately. VSS and SAN integration have finally made friends and should play nice now. The investments in backups are long overdue simply based on the fact that the storage subsystems are catching up with technology. The other big thing is that storage is cheap and fast, making it easy to use so it’s probably time for people to right-size their backups to fit all the data they’ve grown so comfortable with. In a couple years all the rage will be automation to (retroactively) deal with all the content and bring us back to planet earth. Bare metal restores are FINALLY (WTF?) getting to be a reality.

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